Re: Rats and cars

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Posted by g on 12:12:20 03/02/08

In Reply to: Re: Rats and cars posted by The Thinker

: : : : : : : Once again, my car has had the wiring in the engine damaged by rats.
: : : : : : :
: : : : : : : They bring acorns in there and nest, and my mechanic says they chew the insulation on the wires.
: : : : : : :
: : : : : : : We have a carport for one car, and park the other in the driveway. I don't really see rat droppings around on the pavement, but it's clear that rats - or some other animal - are nesting in the engines.
: : : : : : :
: : : : : : : Does anyone else have this problem? What do you do to prevent it?
: : : : : : :
: : : : : : : What can we do here in Topanga to protect our cars from rodent? Is there something you can put in the engine to repell them? We have traps in the house, and catch the occasional rat, but how do you protect the car?
: : : : : :
: : : : : : E:I park a baited trap on the ground at the inside of a front tire whenever I see fresh footprints under the hood. There's an alligator jawed black plastic rat snap trap called a Tomcat that works great.
: : : : :
: : : : : Down at the Malibu Feed Bin at TCB and PCH you can buy rat bait called Just One Bite. It comes in a small paper sack. You can tear it open and leave it, in fact they'll tear it open. They love the stuff, take it away and when they eat it the resperatory system fails and they die. It has successfully eliminated rats from my house. Due to how it works it does not poisen a cat if the housecat nibbles on the rat.
: : : :
: : : : thanks for both those ideas.
: : : :
: : : : In the house we use the Rat Zapper, which electrocutes the little buggers. But I worry about putting that where the cars drive, because you could run over it. the paper sack thing sounds like a good idea. I will also check into the Tomcat. Where do you find it, Edenite?
: : :
: : :
: : : ...and just so you know, rats carry Just One Bite back to their nests so it cuts down on the general rat population.
: :
: : Maybe not quite as safe as you think. It does NOT cause respiratory failure as indicated above. It is a strong anti-coagulant which causes anyone or thing that injests it (there is aparently also a possibility of absorption through the skin) to bleed to death internally. As indicated below, depending on whether Topanga is considered "urban" or not, it is likely illegal to use this outside of buildings. It is extremely dangerous to aquatic life, and will kill fish and amphibians if it gets into the water.
: :
: : If you care about the environment and Topanga eco-system (or your kids or pets), please do NOT use this stuff here.
: :
: : Here's the warning info. from their packaging:
: :
: : Just One Bite®
: : Farnam
: : Description:
: : Bait pellets for indoor and outdoor rodent control.
: :
: : Indications:
: : Kills Norway rats, Roof rats, House mice, and Warfarin-resistant Norway rats. Norway rats and House mice may consume a lethal dose in one feeding, with first dead rodents appearing 4 or 5 days after treatment begins.
: :
: : Ingredients:
: :
: :
: : *3-[3-(4 -Bromol[1,1 -biphenyl]-4-yl)-3-hydroxy-1-phenylpropyl]-4-hydroxy-2H-1-benzopyran-2-one
: :
: : 0.005%
: :
: : Inert Ingredients
: :
: : 99.995%
: :
: : *Bromadiolone-Supercaid Patented in the U.S.A.
: :
: : Directions For Use:
: : It is a violation of Federal Law to use this product in a manner inconsistent with its labeling. Read the entire label and follow all use directions and use precautions.
: :
: : Important: Do not expose children, pets, or other non-target animals to pesticides. To help prevent accidents:
: :
: : Store product not in use in a location out of reach of children and pets.
: : Apply bait in locations out of reach of children, pets, domestic animals, and non-target wildlife, or in tamper-resistant bait stations. These stations must be resistant to destruction by dogs and by children under 6 years of age, and must be used in a manner that prevents such children from reaching into bait compartments and obtaining bait. If bait can be shaken from stations when they are lifted, units must be secured or otherwise immobilized. Even stronger bait stations are needed in areas open to hoofed livestock, raccoons, bears, or other potentially destructive animals, or in areas prone to vandalism.
: : Dispose of product container, unused, spoiled and unconsumed bait as specified on the label.
: : Use Restrictions: For control of Norway rats, roof rats, and house mice. Do not place bait in areas where there is a possibility of contaminating food or surfaces that come in direct contact with food. Do not broadcast bait.
: :
: : Urban Areas: This product may be used in and around the periphery of homes, industrial, commercial, and public buildings. This product may also be used in and around transport vehicles (ships, trains, aircraft) and related port or terminal buildings. This product may be used in alleys.
: :
: : Non-Urban Areas: This product may be used inside of homes and agricultural buildings.
: :
: : Selection of Treatment Areas: Determine areas where rats and/or mice will most likely find and consume the bait. Generally, these are along walls, by gnawed openings, in or beside burrows, in corners and concealed places, between floors and walls, or in locations where rodents or their signs have been observed. Remove as much alternative food as possible.
: :
: : Application Directions:
: : Rats: Place at least 3 to 10 packets per placement. Maintain an uninterrupted supply of fresh bait for 10 days or until signs of rat activity cease.
: :
: : Mice: Use one pack per bait placement. Space placements at 8 to 12 foot intervals. Maintain an uninterrupted supply of fresh bait for 15 days or until signs of mouse activity cease.
: :
: : Rats and Mice: Replace contaminated or spoiled bait immediately. Collect and dispose of all dead animals and leftover bait properly. To prevent re-infestations, eliminate food, water and harborage as much as possible. If re-infestation does occur, repeat treatment. Where a continuous source of infestation is present, establish permanent bait stations and replenish bait as needed.
: :
: : Precautionary Statements: Hazards to Humans and Domestic Animals
: :
: : Caution:
: : Keep away from humans, domestic animals and pets. May be harmful or fatal if swallowed or absorbed through the skin because this material may reduce the clotting ability of blood and cause bleeding. Do not get in eyes, on skin or on clothing. Wash hands, arms and face with soap and water after applying and before eating or smoking. If swallowed, call a physician at once.
: :
: : Note to Physician: If ingested, administer Vitamin K1 intramuscularly or orally as indicated in bishydroxycoumarin overdoses. Repeat as necessary based on monitoring of prothrombin times.
: :
: : Environmental Hazards:
: : This product is toxic to fish and wildlife. Keep out of lakes, streams or ponds.
: :
: : Storage and Disposal:
: : Do not contaminate water, food or feed by storage or disposal. Keep away from foodstuffs. Store in original container in locked storage area.
: :
: : Storage: Store in a cool, dry place inaccessible to children or pets.
: :
: : Pesticide Disposal: Securely wrap excess, unused or spoiled bait in several layers of newspaper and discard in trash.
: :
: : Container Disposal: Do not reuse bag and box. Discard bag and box in trash.
: :
: : Manufacturer s Warranty:
: : Seller makes no warranty, expressed or implied, concerning the use of this product other than indicated on the label. Buyer assumes all risks of use and/or handling of this material when such use and/or handling is contrary to label instructions.
: :
: : Disclaimer: Every effort has been made to ensure the accuracy of the information published. However, it remains the responsibility of the readers to familiarize themselves with the product information contained on the product label or package insert.
: :
:
: Rat eats poison. Rat gets sick. Coyote or hawk eat rat. Coyote dies, hawk dies.
:
: That's how these things work.
:
: Use traps. They work just as well without killing other wildlife.
:
: Peanut butter is a great bait. I've caught hundreds of rats and mice with it.

Yes, we use traps in the house. But I can't put a trap in my car's engine, thanks. Traps are difficult outdoors, too.

Any ideas for outdoors? or in cars?

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Re: Rats and cars - The Thinker 12:30:05 03/02/08 (2)
- Re: Rats and cars - one who knows 15:19:25 03/03/08 (1)
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Comments:	: : : : : : : : Once again, my car has had the wiring in the engine damaged by rats. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : They bring acorns in there and nest, and my mechanic says they chew the insulation on the wires. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : We have a carport for one car, and park the other in the driveway. I don't really see rat droppings around on the pavement, but it's clear that rats - or some other animal - are nesting in the engines. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Does anyone else have this problem? What do you do to prevent it? : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : What can we do here in Topanga to protect our cars from rodent? Is there something you can put in the engine to repell them? We have traps in the house, and catch the occasional rat, but how do you protect the car? : : : : : : : : : : : : : : E:I park a baited trap on the ground at the inside of a front tire whenever I see fresh footprints under the hood. There's an alligator jawed black plastic rat snap trap called a Tomcat that works great. : : : : : : : : : : : : Down at the Malibu Feed Bin at TCB and PCH you can buy rat bait called Just One Bite. It comes in a small paper sack. You can tear it open and leave it, in fact they'll tear it open. They love the stuff, take it away and when they eat it the resperatory system fails and they die. It has successfully eliminated rats from my house. Due to how it works it does not poisen a cat if the housecat nibbles on the rat. : : : : : : : : : : thanks for both those ideas. : : : : : : : : : : In the house we use the Rat Zapper, which electrocutes the little buggers. But I worry about putting that where the cars drive, because you could run over it. the paper sack thing sounds like a good idea. I will also check into the Tomcat. Where do you find it, Edenite? : : : : : : : : : : : : ...and just so you know, rats carry Just One Bite back to their nests so it cuts down on the general rat population. : : : : : : Maybe not quite as safe as you think. It does NOT cause respiratory failure as indicated above. It is a strong anti-coagulant which causes anyone or thing that injests it (there is aparently also a possibility of absorption through the skin) to bleed to death internally. As indicated below, depending on whether Topanga is considered "urban" or not, it is likely illegal to use this outside of buildings. It is extremely dangerous to aquatic life, and will kill fish and amphibians if it gets into the water. : : : : : : If you care about the environment and Topanga eco-system (or your kids or pets), please do NOT use this stuff here. : : : : : : Here's the warning info. from their packaging: : : : : : : Just One Bite® : : : Farnam : : : Description: : : : Bait pellets for indoor and outdoor rodent control. : : : : : : Indications: : : : Kills Norway rats, Roof rats, House mice, and Warfarin-resistant Norway rats. Norway rats and House mice may consume a lethal dose in one feeding, with first dead rodents appearing 4 or 5 days after treatment begins. : : : : : : Ingredients: : : : : : : : : : 3-[3-(4 -Bromol[1,1 -biphenyl]-4-yl)-3-hydroxy-1-phenylpropyl]-4-hydroxy-2H-1-benzopyran-2-one : : : : : : 0.005% : : : : : : Inert Ingredients : : : : : : 99.995% : : : : : : Bromadiolone-Supercaid Patented in the U.S.A. : : : : : : Directions For Use: : : : It is a violation of Federal Law to use this product in a manner inconsistent with its labeling. Read the entire label and follow all use directions and use precautions. : : : : : : Important: Do not expose children, pets, or other non-target animals to pesticides. To help prevent accidents: : : : : : : Store product not in use in a location out of reach of children and pets. : : : Apply bait in locations out of reach of children, pets, domestic animals, and non-target wildlife, or in tamper-resistant bait stations. These stations must be resistant to destruction by dogs and by children under 6 years of age, and must be used in a manner that prevents such children from reaching into bait compartments and obtaining bait. If bait can be shaken from stations when they are lifted, units must be secured or otherwise immobilized. Even stronger bait stations are needed in areas open to hoofed livestock, raccoons, bears, or other potentially destructive animals, or in areas prone to vandalism. : : : Dispose of product container, unused, spoiled and unconsumed bait as specified on the label. : : : Use Restrictions: For control of Norway rats, roof rats, and house mice. Do not place bait in areas where there is a possibility of contaminating food or surfaces that come in direct contact with food. Do not broadcast bait. : : : : : : Urban Areas: This product may be used in and around the periphery of homes, industrial, commercial, and public buildings. This product may also be used in and around transport vehicles (ships, trains, aircraft) and related port or terminal buildings. This product may be used in alleys. : : : : : : Non-Urban Areas: This product may be used inside of homes and agricultural buildings. : : : : : : Selection of Treatment Areas: Determine areas where rats and/or mice will most likely find and consume the bait. Generally, these are along walls, by gnawed openings, in or beside burrows, in corners and concealed places, between floors and walls, or in locations where rodents or their signs have been observed. Remove as much alternative food as possible. : : : : : : Application Directions: : : : Rats: Place at least 3 to 10 packets per placement. Maintain an uninterrupted supply of fresh bait for 10 days or until signs of rat activity cease. : : : : : : Mice: Use one pack per bait placement. Space placements at 8 to 12 foot intervals. Maintain an uninterrupted supply of fresh bait for 15 days or until signs of mouse activity cease. : : : : : : Rats and Mice: Replace contaminated or spoiled bait immediately. Collect and dispose of all dead animals and leftover bait properly. To prevent re-infestations, eliminate food, water and harborage as much as possible. If re-infestation does occur, repeat treatment. Where a continuous source of infestation is present, establish permanent bait stations and replenish bait as needed. : : : : : : Precautionary Statements: Hazards to Humans and Domestic Animals : : : : : : Caution: : : : Keep away from humans, domestic animals and pets. May be harmful or fatal if swallowed or absorbed through the skin because this material may reduce the clotting ability of blood and cause bleeding. Do not get in eyes, on skin or on clothing. Wash hands, arms and face with soap and water after applying and before eating or smoking. If swallowed, call a physician at once. : : : : : : Note to Physician: If ingested, administer Vitamin K1 intramuscularly or orally as indicated in bishydroxycoumarin overdoses. Repeat as necessary based on monitoring of prothrombin times. : : : : : : Environmental Hazards: : : : This product is toxic to fish and wildlife. Keep out of lakes, streams or ponds. : : : : : : Storage and Disposal: : : : Do not contaminate water, food or feed by storage or disposal. Keep away from foodstuffs. Store in original container in locked storage area. : : : : : : Storage: Store in a cool, dry place inaccessible to children or pets. : : : : : : Pesticide Disposal: Securely wrap excess, unused or spoiled bait in several layers of newspaper and discard in trash. : : : : : : Container Disposal: Do not reuse bag and box. Discard bag and box in trash. : : : : : : Manufacturer s Warranty: : : : Seller makes no warranty, expressed or implied, concerning the use of this product other than indicated on the label. Buyer assumes all risks of use and/or handling of this material when such use and/or handling is contrary to label instructions. : : : : : : Disclaimer: Every effort has been made to ensure the accuracy of the information published. However, it remains the responsibility of the readers to familiarize themselves with the product information contained on the product label or package insert. : : : : : : : Rat eats poison. Rat gets sick. Coyote or hawk eat rat. Coyote dies, hawk dies. : : : : That's how these things work. : : : : Use traps. They work just as well without killing other wildlife. : : : : Peanut butter is a great bait. I've caught hundreds of rats and mice with it. : : Yes, we use traps in the house. But I can't put a trap in my car's engine, thanks. Traps are difficult outdoors, too. : : Any ideas for outdoors? or in cars? :

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